tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post2318228349694095222..comments2023-07-29T05:11:23.558-04:00Comments on Climate Observations: February 2010 SST Anomaly UpdateBob Tisdalehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15462377647970214137noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-32176664274165876102010-03-21T11:20:25.112-04:002010-03-21T11:20:25.112-04:00Don B: Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen it...Don B: Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen it.Bob Tisdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15462377647970214137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-72889617317597669812010-03-21T10:09:58.768-04:002010-03-21T10:09:58.768-04:00Hi Bob,
Have you seen this..
http://www.factsand...Hi Bob,<br /><br />Have you seen this..<br /><br />http://www.factsandarts.com/articles/future-low-solar-activity-periods-may-cause-extremely-cold-winters-in-north-america-europe-and-russia/Don Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-74264876301053974242010-03-10T21:04:56.845-05:002010-03-10T21:04:56.845-05:00I'd say one difference is there is now a net l...I'd say one difference is there is now a net loss in ocean heat content. <br /><br />my 2cmagellanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12726459793004701427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-53657049158842966422010-03-10T05:59:11.140-05:002010-03-10T05:59:11.140-05:00John M: You asked, “Do you think it qualifies as a...John M: You asked, “Do you think it qualifies as a ‘Modoki’?”<br /><br />Yup! Refer to the following graph of the El Nino Modoki Index through Dec 19, 2009:<br />http://i44.tinypic.com/2lma1p0.png<br /><br />Also refer to the following post for the method used to create the El Nino Modoki Index and to show that there’s nothing new about El Nino Modoki:<br />http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/07/there-is-nothing-new-about-el-nino.html<br /><br />And here’s a post that compares NINO3.4 and El Nino Modoki data:<br />http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/07/comparison-of-el-nino-modoki-index-and.htmlBob Tisdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15462377647970214137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-20234214349841725572010-03-10T05:50:07.245-05:002010-03-10T05:50:07.245-05:00Anonymous From Lima: I thought that was you. You...Anonymous From Lima: I thought that was you. You need to create comparison graphs. If a person simply compares one graph to another, their eyes can play tricks. <br /><br />First, the solar cycle. There was nothing wrong sunspot number graph I provided. The 1986/87/88 El Nino occurred closer to Solar Min than to Solar Max. Here’s a graph from the page you linked with the 1986/87/88 El Nino timing marked on it.<br />http://i41.tinypic.com/23vxi8n.png<br /><br />This is better seen with a comparison graph of NINO3.4 SST Anomalies and Scaled Sunspot Numbers:<br />http://i42.tinypic.com/opd194.png<br /><br />And then you had some questions about the global TLT response of this El Nino. If we scale the NINO3.4 SST anomalies by a factor of 0.21 and shift it upward by adding 0.12 to it, we can see in a comparison graph that the global TLT anomalies responded as one would expect to the 2009/10 El Nino, but not to the 2002/03 El Nino.<br />http://i43.tinypic.com/wt99qr.png<br /><br />And if we leave the scaling factor the same (0.21) and shift the NINO3.4 data down by subtracting 0.08, the Global TLT anomalies responded as expected to the 1986/87/88 El Nino.<br />http://i39.tinypic.com/2lw7guc.png<br /><br />So the question is: why didn’t the Global TLT anomalies respond fully to the 2002/03 El Nino? <br /><br />This a problem that presents itself every time someone tries to remove the linear effects of ENSO from global temperatures. Global temperature does not respond the same for every El Nino. This was why Thompson et al left residuals. Refer to Figures 12 through 16 in the following post:<br />http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/09/thompson-et-al-2009-high-tech-wiggle.html<br /><br />RegardsBob Tisdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15462377647970214137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-1135246009221549492010-03-10T00:51:54.417-05:002010-03-10T00:51:54.417-05:00Mr. Bob Tisdale:
Where do you get that graph of s...Mr. Bob Tisdale:<br /><br />Where do you get that graph of solar cycle?<br /><br />This graphs show a maximum in 1988-1992, and also in 2000-2002:<br /> <br />"Construction of a Composite Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) Time Series from 1978 to present"<br />http://www.pmodwrc.ch/pmod.php?topic=tsi/composite/SolarConstant<br /><br />For the UAH temperatures, I refer to this graphs:<br /><br />"February 2010 UAH Global Temperature Update: Version 5.3 Unveiled"<br />http://www.drroyspencer.com/2010/03/february-2010-uah-global-temperature-update-version-5-3-unveiled/<br /><br />http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/TLT_GL_v.5.2_vs_v5.3.pdf<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />From Lima, PeruAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-87678469908592433762010-03-09T20:22:16.786-05:002010-03-09T20:22:16.786-05:00Anonymous (7:20PM): You expressed lots of opinions...Anonymous (7:20PM): You expressed lots of opinions about UAH TLT anomalies that aren't verifiable without a comparison graph of TLT anomalies and scaled NINO3.4 SST anomalies. Also, you wrote, "...to increase the mistery, the sun was near a maximum in 1988 and 2002...", which is wrong in part. In 1988, the solar cycle was pretty close to minimum as well.<br />http://www.icsu-fags.org/images/sidc002.jpg<br /><br />Do you have a link to a comparison graph of UAH TLT anomalies (version 5.3)and scaled NINO3.4 SST anomalies that's current, so we can verify your other comments? I normally don't post global TLT data, and this is a post about SST anomalies, so we can't use any of the graphs in this post. <br /><br />Also, you may want to read the following post if you're wondering why the TLT anomalies in the 2000s were warmer than in the 1990s and why the 1990s were warmer than the 1980s.<br />http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/rss-msu-tlt-time-latitude-plots.html<br /><br />RegardsBob Tisdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15462377647970214137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-53719201144755112352010-03-09T20:22:16.787-05:002010-03-09T20:22:16.787-05:00Bob Tisdale:
"This was more of a Central Pac...Bob Tisdale:<br /><br />"This was more of a Central Pacific (NINO3.4) El Nino."<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Do you think it qualifies as a "Modoki"?<br /><br />http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090702140835.htm<br /><br />I know Judith Curry was focusing on the difference between Nino 3 and 4 at the time, but does lower temperature in 1 and 2 relate to the "new kind of El Nino" too? <br /><br />(Didn't seem to do much for hurricanes though.)John Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17647602450091093038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-45822348180062901962010-03-09T19:10:06.929-05:002010-03-09T19:10:06.929-05:00What seem astounding to me is that recent UAH TLT ...What seem astounding to me is that recent UAH TLT anomalies are second only to the ones in 1998 Super El Niño.<br /><br />This El Niño, 2009-2010 is similar in magnitude to the ones in 1988, 1992 and 2002, but the atmospheric response is much bigger now than in all those years.<br /><br />The 1982 El Chichon neutralized the heat from 1982-1983 Super El Niño, and Pinatubo cooling far outweighted the heat from 1992-1993 strong (but short-lived) El Niño.<br /><br />But in 1987-1988 and 2002-2003 there were no big volcanos...<br /><br />... and to increase the mistery, the sun was near a maximum in 1988 and 2002, while now we are just beginning to exit the deepest minimum in nearly a century...<br /><br />What could be happening now that didn't happen in 1988 and 2002?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-49553529796760570582010-03-09T09:40:31.006-05:002010-03-09T09:40:31.006-05:00Work has been a bit crazy lately (which I guess it...Work has been a bit crazy lately (which I guess it not a bad thing).<br /><br />I look forward to a post on SST/TLT. Definitely an interesting topic. <br /><br />I do find the similar trends for the two SST and TLT a much better match than overall surface temperatures and TLT. I definitely think it avoids the problems of urban heat, poor siting, adjustments, etc. <br /><br />I'm still curious why the South Atlantic has been so warm this year, but that's a topic for another day. That warm spot next to Africa seems to have been there forever. I wonder if it's related to the weak Hurrican season ...Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-73873852048284026862010-03-08T21:57:36.942-05:002010-03-08T21:57:36.942-05:00John M: Eastern tropical Pacific (NINO1+2) SST an...John M: Eastern tropical Pacific (NINO1+2) SST anomalies never did rise sinificantly during the 2009/10 El Nino. This was more of a Central Pacific (NINO3.4) El Nino.<br />http://i50.tinypic.com/68r5p1.png<br /><br />RegardsBob Tisdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15462377647970214137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-79577558243121084422010-03-08T21:19:55.733-05:002010-03-08T21:19:55.733-05:00Looks like the eastern part of El Nino has "b...Looks like the eastern part of El Nino has "broken".<br /><br />http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2010/anomw.3.8.2010.gifJohn Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17647602450091093038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-84654757601718409502010-03-08T19:02:33.204-05:002010-03-08T19:02:33.204-05:00Hi, John, been a while. If we look at the UAH TLT...Hi, John, been a while. If we look at the UAH TLT anomalies (Version 5.3) they aren't unusually high. <br />http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_Feb_10.jpg<br /><br />Also, Global TLT anomalies responded very little to the 2002/03 El Nino, which makes the recent El Nino stand out. <br />http://i45.tinypic.com/2lrl2b.png<br /><br />BTW, that's a graph from an upcoming post. It's of RSS MSU TLT anomalies, not UAH. But neither really responded to that 2002/03 El Nino.<br /><br />RegardsBob Tisdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15462377647970214137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2220966763638300672.post-55856315878934860842010-03-08T17:32:19.707-05:002010-03-08T17:32:19.707-05:00Hi Bob -
Any thoughts on why this Nino seems to b...Hi Bob -<br /><br />Any thoughts on why this Nino seems to be having such a strong impact on the UAH TLT record?<br /><br />The global sea surface temperatures and even the Nino peak are not all that different from 2003's El Nino, but the UAH measurements are far higher.<br /><br />Just curious if you had any thoughts.<br /><br />Thanks as always.Johnnoreply@blogger.com